(The following is taken from the second edition of The UberLetter.)
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How does one get "ought" from "is" if "is" is all there is? Some philosophically educated theists ask this question of atheists. That is, how does one create a moral standard from reality if reality does not already contain one? Or, if nature is all that exists, then what tells nature how to act?
Interpreted correctly, theists do not intend this question to be a question at all. Instead, they intend it to be a declarative statement that humans cannot create their own moral standards and that only that which created humans can. And of course theists believe that God is the sole moral authority.
Those who disagree with this statement may argue, as I have witnessed, that theists have no explanation as to how God can be moral. If God creates his own moral standard, they ask, then what prevents him from breaking rules as he sees fit and how is this moral? The argument is that moral action implies good and bad behavior as determined by an outside authority. If humans require an outside moral authority, then so must God.
A common resolution is offered that humans are capable of determining their own moral standards. Although these standards are imperfect, they work most of the time for most people who try to abide by them. I agree that humans are capable of creating their own moral standards, but I disagree that this resolution answers the question that underlies the original question raised by theists. For, no answer has been given as to how a moral standard can be created without an outside moral authority. Specifically, where does the chain of moral authority end, if anywhere?
Think of the problem in simple terms. Theists may argue that humans require an outside moral authority because moral standards require rules that cannot be arbitrarily altered by those who try to abide by them. In other words, morality requires an outside judge and rule makers along with agents who live by those rules and can be punished if they break them or rewarded if they do not. On the other side of this argument, atheists may contend that an outside moral authority must be moral itself and this requires an authority outside it, ad infinitum. Thus, atheists conclude that humans do not require an outside moral authority.
Do you see the problem? Theists argue something (outside requirement). Atheists find a flaw in that argument (infinite regress), assert that it does not change anything (moral autonomy), but never explain why. I agree that requiring a moral authority creates an infinite chain of higher moral authorities, but this alone does not explain and defend how humans can be their own moral authorities.
We have now located the elusive, seemingly supernatural fly in the atheist's purely naturalistic ointment: How can moral agents create their own moral standards? How do humans get "ought" from "is" in an is-only world? The answer is that each of these two words represents one half of the same equation. Part of being human is learning to survive; adaptation is how we evolve. One adaptive need is social order. This order requires rules and principles for peaceful coexistence. Thus, it is only natural that we naturally and autonomously create our own moral standards as a way of meeting an adaptive need, which enables us to survive. "Ought" evinces a better "is" and, in turn, "is" evinces how "ought" ought to be. "Ought" and "is" are one and the same.
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Mon, 2005-10-17 14:00
Uberkuh I really like this post. It is excellent.
I could have used this in my September appearance on Pastor Gene Cook's "The Atheist Hour" radio show. They kep asking me about this stuff and I had a hard time putting this into words. And I never thought about the infinite regress issue.
Although I flipped the question back on them and ot them in a conundrum when I asked "why should you care if you follow Gods word or not? Why should you care if you go to Hell or not?" I couldnt defend my worldview as well as I wanted to.
Mon, 2005-10-17 14:41
I thought you did well. You had to contend with so many obnoxious presuppositions. In fact, the most remarkable thing I remember about your appearance is that you kept your cool. Most atheists would have become angry, and I doubt that Pastor Cook would like us when we're angry.
Mon, 2005-11-14 07:04
I agree. But I prefer to come at it from another angle. I'm not sure where your conclusion leaves us as we try to build a rational morality, so I prefer to just begin by positing a couple of admittedly arbitrary "oughts". Say, "legal equality for all adult citizens" or some such. I haven't worked it out yet, but I think it should be possible to start out with a very few (less than 5?) presuppositions, and declare that, starting from these first causes, one can build an atheistic morality. Why say we ought to support "legal equality for all adult citizens"? There's no use in fighting it: there is no reason (or: because it works, or: because it seems fair; but of course these latter two don't hold up to scrutiny). Due to the variety of existing "social orders", I don't think that your "ought = is" will work here, so I just admit the arbitrariness and work from there. (Theists's "oughts" are really equally arbitrary: they don't know the will of the gods: all they have is some book, and oh look, this other book purporting to have the will of this other god says these other things. Anyway, I'd prefer to just forget about theists, build our own morality, stack it up against the goofy, contradictory mess that is theirs, and then say: which is better?)
Mon, 2005-11-14 07:46
I prefer to think about human morality in pragmatic, utilitarian terms. What is good for most people most of the time can be considered good. Economists and game theorists quantify such good ("welfare") all the time. Take a look at "Game Theory and the Social Contract, Vol. 1: Playing Fair," by Ken Binmore for a good explanation.
Mon, 2005-11-14 16:46
"What is good for most people most of the time can be considered good. Economists and game theorists quantify such good ("welfare") all the time."
I can buy that definition, it could win out. :-) Actually I am not sure if it is good enough (how make it useful?), but if it is it could minimise conflict between "I ought to" and "I am going to".
Wed, 2006-05-10 18:24
you are a f#cking moran.